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		<title>By: Michael Noonan</title>
		<link>http://www.lhcfacts.org/2008/06/10/a-basic-risk-scenario/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is sad really. Science is supposed to keep the good stuff and throw away the nonsense. The words and ideas are simply too big for everyday people to make any sort of sense of it all.

The sad bit is that scientists have trained for so long in this strange quest they are not able to believe they could be wrong. Teachers really do make the worst students because they start with the notion of being right.

This whole sorry mess of the physics going wrong in not about the science at all. It is the people in the science that can't make the connection now.

How do you spend all of your life believing you are right and teaching it to others and even being prepared to fight off suggestions that things might not be all that they seem to be.

Perhaps the worst people to put in charge of any project are the ones so close to it that they would rather see it all end badly than admit that they could be wrong. It is not the science that is dangerous just as a knife is not dangerous if it is in the right hands.

We have lost something very important along the way here. What we have lost is the ability to turn back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sad really. Science is supposed to keep the good stuff and throw away the nonsense. The words and ideas are simply too big for everyday people to make any sort of sense of it all.</p>
<p>The sad bit is that scientists have trained for so long in this strange quest they are not able to believe they could be wrong. Teachers really do make the worst students because they start with the notion of being right.</p>
<p>This whole sorry mess of the physics going wrong in not about the science at all. It is the people in the science that can&#8217;t make the connection now.</p>
<p>How do you spend all of your life believing you are right and teaching it to others and even being prepared to fight off suggestions that things might not be all that they seem to be.</p>
<p>Perhaps the worst people to put in charge of any project are the ones so close to it that they would rather see it all end badly than admit that they could be wrong. It is not the science that is dangerous just as a knife is not dangerous if it is in the right hands.</p>
<p>We have lost something very important along the way here. What we have lost is the ability to turn back.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Noonan</title>
		<link>http://www.lhcfacts.org/2008/06/10/a-basic-risk-scenario/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Einstein is quoted as saying:- "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."

I have put together a unified model that makes the universe smaller, sits on a simpler geometry and has received violent opposition from the mainstream of science that prefers a plethora of separate models.

The model uses an aether, an aether that must absorb energy and convert it evenly throughout a smaller, simpler geometry single universe. It meets the requirements of simplicity as set by Occam's Razor. A logical reduction of models but sets new parameters for time.

Time is removed from the standard model with the simple expedient of t=0 meaning time is removed. A simpler model is available and includes time and for that reason it is rejected.

The relevance of this model to the current debate on CERN is that scientists would not be working with the assumed higher dimension of space that they think they are. Mainstream scientific refusal to acknowledge the possibility of alternate time or dimension based theoretical models is sufficient to put the safety of the whole experiment at risk.

Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Einstein is quoted as saying:- &#8220;Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius &#8212; and a lot of courage &#8212; to move in the opposite direction.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have put together a unified model that makes the universe smaller, sits on a simpler geometry and has received violent opposition from the mainstream of science that prefers a plethora of separate models.</p>
<p>The model uses an aether, an aether that must absorb energy and convert it evenly throughout a smaller, simpler geometry single universe. It meets the requirements of simplicity as set by Occam&#8217;s Razor. A logical reduction of models but sets new parameters for time.</p>
<p>Time is removed from the standard model with the simple expedient of t=0 meaning time is removed. A simpler model is available and includes time and for that reason it is rejected.</p>
<p>The relevance of this model to the current debate on CERN is that scientists would not be working with the assumed higher dimension of space that they think they are. Mainstream scientific refusal to acknowledge the possibility of alternate time or dimension based theoretical models is sufficient to put the safety of the whole experiment at risk.</p>
<p>Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: Another</title>
		<link>http://www.lhcfacts.org/2008/06/10/a-basic-risk-scenario/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Another</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, 
I agree with your assessment.  The scientists say we don't understand the statistical probabilities we are talking about.  Well I do understand the small probabilities they are putting forward, and even those scare me.  Though I understand how the mind of a scientist could proceed in the face of such probabilities, I don't think in this case it is fair to the rest of humanity for them to proceed.

They also say we don't understand the details of the science we are talking about.  But what I do understand is that science has a habit of completely changing its foundational assumptions from time to time.  And the arguments they are using to keep the probabilities low require me to believe the unbelievable; that we are finally at a time in history where the foundational assumptions of science are done changing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
I agree with your assessment.  The scientists say we don&#8217;t understand the statistical probabilities we are talking about.  Well I do understand the small probabilities they are putting forward, and even those scare me.  Though I understand how the mind of a scientist could proceed in the face of such probabilities, I don&#8217;t think in this case it is fair to the rest of humanity for them to proceed.</p>
<p>They also say we don&#8217;t understand the details of the science we are talking about.  But what I do understand is that science has a habit of completely changing its foundational assumptions from time to time.  And the arguments they are using to keep the probabilities low require me to believe the unbelievable; that we are finally at a time in history where the foundational assumptions of science are done changing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Noonan</title>
		<link>http://www.lhcfacts.org/2008/06/10/a-basic-risk-scenario/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough all the alternate sciences proposed are rejected because no one outside of CERN could know quantum science. Fair enough prophesy is rejected because I am no prophet even if a new mineral manganese silicate has just been discovered in a comet as predicted, scary.

Fair enough science must be right even if the mathematics proving we are all at some non zero point in our lives every position in the universe and simultaneously magnitudes more divided than the standard unit of energy the electron volt, the sum of all histories. Quite frankly if written in plain language to describe anything other than mathematics it would be branded satanic to call oneself the universe and therefore God. Well fair enough because I can reject that.

All things fair enough. What about one little physical detail? A micro black hole is supposed to be exothermic, right. Yet all of the accidents so far have been energy loss and therefore heat loss, heat loss major league!!! And we talk of one micro black hole, why?

With the beams fully illuminated the capacity is to generate over 600,000 micro black holes a week at the rate of one a second. One small detail like getting exothermic wrong and the core of the earth freezes. No big deal right? Wrong!

Place a rose in liquid nitrogen and then tap it on the table and it shatters. Freeze the core and if an earthquake deep below the surface like the Russian quake this week some 650 or so kilometers below the surface occurs then who is to say the whole earth might not shatter like some giant frozen crystal.

Future generations are predicted to tear down the cities to expose the earth to the sun. What if it is simpler than that. What if all that is left is the shattered fragments of civilization to be just pushed aside.

The simple plus minus of is it hot or cold is all it takes to get wrong not quantum physics just hot or cold. Fair enough it may be a handy thing to know if new propulsion is available or nuclear physics can answer a few extra questions but what if it is at the risk of the earth opening up and swallowing humanity, hot or cold that is all it takes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough all the alternate sciences proposed are rejected because no one outside of CERN could know quantum science. Fair enough prophesy is rejected because I am no prophet even if a new mineral manganese silicate has just been discovered in a comet as predicted, scary.</p>
<p>Fair enough science must be right even if the mathematics proving we are all at some non zero point in our lives every position in the universe and simultaneously magnitudes more divided than the standard unit of energy the electron volt, the sum of all histories. Quite frankly if written in plain language to describe anything other than mathematics it would be branded satanic to call oneself the universe and therefore God. Well fair enough because I can reject that.</p>
<p>All things fair enough. What about one little physical detail? A micro black hole is supposed to be exothermic, right. Yet all of the accidents so far have been energy loss and therefore heat loss, heat loss major league!!! And we talk of one micro black hole, why?</p>
<p>With the beams fully illuminated the capacity is to generate over 600,000 micro black holes a week at the rate of one a second. One small detail like getting exothermic wrong and the core of the earth freezes. No big deal right? Wrong!</p>
<p>Place a rose in liquid nitrogen and then tap it on the table and it shatters. Freeze the core and if an earthquake deep below the surface like the Russian quake this week some 650 or so kilometers below the surface occurs then who is to say the whole earth might not shatter like some giant frozen crystal.</p>
<p>Future generations are predicted to tear down the cities to expose the earth to the sun. What if it is simpler than that. What if all that is left is the shattered fragments of civilization to be just pushed aside.</p>
<p>The simple plus minus of is it hot or cold is all it takes to get wrong not quantum physics just hot or cold. Fair enough it may be a handy thing to know if new propulsion is available or nuclear physics can answer a few extra questions but what if it is at the risk of the earth opening up and swallowing humanity, hot or cold that is all it takes.</p>
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