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		<dc:creator>Michael Noonan</dc:creator>
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		<description>After a sci-fi horror movie it is possible to walk away perhaps shaken, maybe moved but definitely alive. This is what physicists think the world is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnkE2yQPw6s&#38;feature

What exactly does it take to shatter the isolation that we currently enjoy from co-existing alternate realities and is it even remotely possible we would be able to do it. The short answer is yes it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a sci-fi horror movie it is possible to walk away perhaps shaken, maybe moved but definitely alive. This is what physicists think the world is.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnkE2yQPw6s&amp;feature" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnkE2yQPw6s&amp;feature</a></p>
<p>What exactly does it take to shatter the isolation that we currently enjoy from co-existing alternate realities and is it even remotely possible we would be able to do it. The short answer is yes it is.</p>
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		<dc:creator>sandycharm</dc:creator>
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		<description>Must be watching too much sci-fi horror movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must be watching too much sci-fi horror movies.</p>
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		<dc:creator>JTankers</dc:creator>
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		<description>Changed Risk Assumptions since RHIC risks were calculated, making RHIC risk calculations invalid:


Good points related to expanding the safety arguments that have evaporated.  In detail, these are the issues referred to in the statement, new risk assumptions:

&lt;strong&gt;Possibility of Micro Black Hole Production&lt;/strong&gt;

	&lt;ol&gt;  NO, Not Possible: by 1999 Review of Speculative Disaster Scenarios at RHIC &lt;a href="http://www.bnl.gov/RHIC/docs/rhicreport.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;In no case has any phenomenon suggestive of gravitational clumping, let alone gravitational collapse or the production of a singularity, been observed" ... "but for the foreseeable future values even remotely approaching unity are a pipe dream"&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;/ol&gt;

	&lt;ol&gt;  YES, Possible: by CERN &lt;a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/Safety-en.html " rel="nofollow"&gt;... microscopic black holes could be produced in the collisions at the LHC"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
  YES, Possible: by CERN Courier &lt;a href="http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199" rel="nofollow"&gt;the 14 TeV centre-of-mass energy of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could allow it to become a black-hole factory with a production rate as high as about one per second"&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Assumption that Hawking Radiation is Valid&lt;/strong&gt;

	&lt;ol&gt;  YES, Assumed by CERN &lt;a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/Safety-en.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Black holes lose matter ... via a process discovered by Stephen Hawking. Any black hole ... that might be produced at the LHC, will shrink, evaporate and disappear"&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

	&lt;ol&gt;    NO, Not Assumed by LSAG &lt;a href="http://lhc2008.web.cern.ch/LHC2008/documents/LSAG.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;“At the LHC, some {MBH} … could start growing”"&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

	&lt;ol&gt;    NO, Not Assumed by Dr. Adam D. Helfer &lt;a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042" rel="nofollow"&gt;no compelling theoretical case for or against radiation by black holes"&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

	&lt;ol&gt;    NO, Not Assumed by Dr. William G. Unruh and Prof. Ralf Schützhold &lt;a href="http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0408/0408009v2.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Therefore, whether real black holes emit Hawking radiation or not remains an open question"&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;/ol&gt;

	&lt;ol&gt;    NO, Not Assumed by Prof. V.A. Belinski &lt;a href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/els/03759601/1995/00000209/00000001/art00785" rel="nofollow"&gt;…the effect {Hawking Radiation} does not exist."&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Assumption that Cosmic Rays Impacts with Earth prove safety:&lt;/strong&gt;

	&lt;ol&gt;    YES, Assumed by CERN &lt;a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/Safety-en.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Since the much higher-energy collisions provided by Nature for billions of years have not harmed the Earth, there is no reason to think that any phenomenon produced by the LHC will do so."&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

	&lt;ol&gt;    NO, Not Assumed by LSAG &lt;a href="http://lhc2008.web.cern.ch/LHC2008/documents/LSAG.pdf“ rel="nofollow"&gt;Problems with using “cosmic rays hitting the Earth” to rule out Black Holes” ... they fly through the Earth like a neutrino&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;/ol&gt;

Both sides are stating opposing safety and legal positions, and counter concerns also exist with respect to safety statements making implications of unconfirmed, unsupported and refuted assertions:  
: Evidence refutes &lt;a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=52 rel="nofollow"&gt;[1.1]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042 rel="nofollow"&gt;[1.1]&lt;/a&gt; the veracity of statement part 1.
    1. "''... physicists in general do not question the assumption that black holes are generally unstable''"
: Evidence refutes &lt;a href="http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0408/0408009v2.pdf rel="nofollow"&gt;[2.1]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/els/03759601/1995/00000209/00000001/art00785 rel="nofollow"&gt;[2.2]&lt;/a&gt; the veracity of statement part 2.
    2. "''... and those few who have pointed out issues with Hawking radiation were only attempting to achieve a more rigorous proof of it.''"
And statement 3. is not supported by a released safety report, only by a public information web page &lt;a href="http://askanexpert.web.cern.ch/AskAnExpert/en/Accelerators/LHCblackholes-en.html rel="nofollow"&gt;[3.1]&lt;/a&gt; and 'draft' safety outline &lt;a href="http://lhc2008.web.cern.ch/LHC2008/documents/LSAG.pdf rel="nofollow"&gt;[3.2]&lt;/a&gt; and is credibly refuted &lt;a href="http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf rel="nofollow"&gt;[3.3]&lt;/a&gt;.  
    3 "''... even if micro black holes were created and were stable, they would pose no reasonable threat to the Earth during its remaining 5 billion years of existence.''"
--[[User:Jtankers&#124;Jtankers]] ([[User talk:Jtankers&#124;talk]]) 18:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Changed Risk Assumptions since RHIC risks were calculated, making RHIC risk calculations invalid:</p>
<p>Good points related to expanding the safety arguments that have evaporated.  In detail, these are the issues referred to in the statement, new risk assumptions:</p>
<p><strong>Possibility of Micro Black Hole Production</strong></p>
<ol>  NO, Not Possible: by 1999 Review of Speculative Disaster Scenarios at RHIC <a href="http://www.bnl.gov/RHIC/docs/rhicreport.pdf" rel="nofollow">In no case has any phenomenon suggestive of gravitational clumping, let alone gravitational collapse or the production of a singularity, been observed&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;but for the foreseeable future values even remotely approaching unity are a pipe dream&#8221;</a>
</ol>
<ol>  YES, Possible: by CERN <a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/Safety-en.html " rel="nofollow">&#8230; microscopic black holes could be produced in the collisions at the LHC&#8221;</a></ol>
<ol>
  YES, Possible: by CERN Courier <a href="http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199" rel="nofollow">the 14 TeV centre-of-mass energy of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could allow it to become a black-hole factory with a production rate as high as about one per second&#8221;</a>
</ol>
<p><strong>Assumption that Hawking Radiation is Valid</strong></p>
<ol>  YES, Assumed by CERN <a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/Safety-en.html" rel="nofollow">Black holes lose matter &#8230; via a process discovered by Stephen Hawking. Any black hole &#8230; that might be produced at the LHC, will shrink, evaporate and disappear&#8221;</a>
</ol>
<ol>    NO, Not Assumed by LSAG <a href="http://lhc2008.web.cern.ch/LHC2008/documents/LSAG.pdf" rel="nofollow">“At the LHC, some {MBH} … could start growing”&#8221;</a>
</ol>
<ol>    NO, Not Assumed by Dr. Adam D. Helfer <a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042" rel="nofollow">no compelling theoretical case for or against radiation by black holes&#8221;</a>
</ol>
<ol>    NO, Not Assumed by Dr. William G. Unruh and Prof. Ralf Schützhold <a href="http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0408/0408009v2.pdf" rel="nofollow">Therefore, whether real black holes emit Hawking radiation or not remains an open question&#8221;</a>
</ol>
<ol>    NO, Not Assumed by Prof. V.A. Belinski <a href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/els/03759601/1995/00000209/00000001/art00785" rel="nofollow">…the effect {Hawking Radiation} does not exist.&#8221;</a>
</ol>
<p><strong>Assumption that Cosmic Rays Impacts with Earth prove safety:</strong></p>
<ol>    YES, Assumed by CERN <a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/Safety-en.html" rel="nofollow">Since the much higher-energy collisions provided by Nature for billions of years have not harmed the Earth, there is no reason to think that any phenomenon produced by the LHC will do so.&#8221;</a>
</ol>
<ol>    NO, Not Assumed by LSAG <a href="http://lhc2008.web.cern.ch/LHC2008/documents/LSAG.pdf“ rel="nofollow">Problems with using “cosmic rays hitting the Earth” to rule out Black Holes” &#8230; they fly through the Earth like a neutrino</a>
</ol>
<p>Both sides are stating opposing safety and legal positions, and counter concerns also exist with respect to safety statements making implications of unconfirmed, unsupported and refuted assertions:<br />
: Evidence refutes <a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=52 rel="nofollow">[1.1]</a> <a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042 rel="nofollow">[1.1]</a> the veracity of statement part 1.<br />
    1. &#8220;&#8221;&#8230; physicists in general do not question the assumption that black holes are generally unstable&#8221;&#8221;<br />
: Evidence refutes <a href="http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0408/0408009v2.pdf rel="nofollow">[2.1]</a> <a href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/els/03759601/1995/00000209/00000001/art00785 rel="nofollow">[2.2]</a> the veracity of statement part 2.<br />
    2. &#8220;&#8221;&#8230; and those few who have pointed out issues with Hawking radiation were only attempting to achieve a more rigorous proof of it.&#8221;&#8221;<br />
And statement 3. is not supported by a released safety report, only by a public information web page <a href="http://askanexpert.web.cern.ch/AskAnExpert/en/Accelerators/LHCblackholes-en.html rel="nofollow">[3.1]</a> and &#8216;draft&#8217; safety outline <a href="http://lhc2008.web.cern.ch/LHC2008/documents/LSAG.pdf rel="nofollow">[3.2]</a> and is credibly refuted <a href="http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf rel="nofollow">[3.3]</a>.<br />
    3 &#8220;&#8221;&#8230; even if micro black holes were created and were stable, they would pose no reasonable threat to the Earth during its remaining 5 billion years of existence.&#8221;&#8221;<br />
&#8211;[[User:Jtankers|Jtankers]] ([[User talk:Jtankers|talk]]) 18:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)</p>
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