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Buy nexium without prescription, The following exchange took place on the Talk page of the Wikipedia article for the Large Hadron Collider primarily between myself and Bill Wwheaton who has been representing CERNs interests concerning safety content of this article.
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Risk Calculations and Assumptions reasonable quality, nexium without rx, short discussion of risks and calculations at Martin Meenagh blog and some related calculations at James Blodgett on Risks Including this assessment:
- If the following reasonable and plausible assumptions prove to be correct, then the uncomfortable truth may be that the probability of destruction of Earth could be closer to 100%, Buy nexium on line, far from the often quoted 1 in 50 million, though only mother nature currently knows for certain due to our limited understanding of the physics involved.
- A. LHC Creates black holes as CERN Predicted (1 per second) 1.
- B. Micro Black holes do not evaporate as LSAG accepts is plausible. 2
- C. One or more micro black holes are captured by Earth's gravity as LSAG accepts as plausible. 3
- D. Micro Black holes grow exponentially as Dr, nexium without prescription. Otto E, buy nexium without prescription. Rossler's paper predicts and calculates. 4
- Looking at the references, I think they do not support the attached statements, and in fact the entire post is just a copy of one to an outside blog. I think we are in a rut here, compare nexium prices online, and have posted a suggestion for getting out in a new section below. Bill Wwheaton (talk) 10:27, Order generic nexium, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
- I disagree, all of the statements are fully supported and supportable. Buy nexium without prescription, Do you dispute the factuality of any of the statements. --Jtankers (talk) 15:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, nexium from india, I dispute A, that CERN predicted BH production at 1 BH/s, Buy nexium no rx, certainly not in the reference 1; B, I do not agree that LSAG (LHC Safety Assessment Group) accepts the invalidity of Hawking's BH evaporation as plausible; or that the reference given 2, to Helfer's paper, supports the assertion that they do; C, lowest price nexium, I do not see that your [8] ref 3, supports your claim that "LSAG accepts..."; and D, Nexium online sale, while Ressler predicts (& I agree) that a micro-BH inside the Earth would probably grow exponentially after reaching a certain size, this only leads to a meaningful statement about risk (compared to other inevitable planetary risks) when the characteristic timescale for the exponential growth is specified as well. The natural growth time with reasonable accretion efficiency seems to be millions of years, and it appears to me that at least twenty such periods should be required.
- Then again, nexium discount, your apparent quotation re "...reasonable and plausible assumptions ..." , which appears to be an outside reference, Nexium in uk, is actually just a verbatim copy of the above post, by you, as posted to a blog. It is clearly not a reliable source according to Wiki standards, order nexium no prescription required, and I cannot personally accept it as reasonable or plausible. Finally, Nexium cheap, your ..."could be close to 100%"... statement, if supposed to be supported by multiplying your four likelihoods together—each cherry-picked from the extreme fringes of uncertainty in my opinion—is really not a probability at all (or else if it is, then I can respond that "the probability of destruction of the Earth is 99.9% in any case", with perfect assurance, buy nexium without prescription. FYI, when I multiply my own "worst reasonable case" estimates of the above four probabilities together I get 1/300,000, drug nexium,000, with the additional caveat that if BHs are produced at LHC (only for special ranges of string theory compactification, Find nexium on internet, etc) then they should interact strongly with the Earth, and the cosmic-ray argument, applied to neutron stars, would take hold and reduce the odds by a further factor of maybe 1000, buy cheap nexium online. And as one final point: I think it is not reasonable to assume that all the more than 2000 knowledgeable scientists working on LHC are so demented or in denial as to be incapable of assessing the danger of mass murder & suicide for themselves and their families. The essence of sanity is to be able to distinguish between what is possible and what is probable , Nexium for sale, after all. (This is supposed to be easy, but in the modern world, I fear it is not.)
- So forgive me, buy discount nexium, James; I believe you are sincerely worried, and on a mission to save the Earth, Purchase nexium, and I have to honor that even though I think your arguments are not convincing. Buy nexium without prescription, I will continue to defend this front until I see more clearly, either here or in another dedicated article. Best, Bill Wwheaton (talk) 00:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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- A. LHC Creates black holes as CERN Predicted (1 per second)
- STUDY OF POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS EVENTS DURING HEAVY-ION COLLISIONS AT THE LHC
- ".., buy nexium without prescription. we see that the (4 + d) black hole will be produced if M is not much larger than 1 TeV."
- The case for mini black holes, Buy nexium low price, CERN Courier
- "... the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could allow it to become a black-hole factory with a production rate as high as about one per second"
- STUDY OF POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS EVENTS DURING HEAVY-ION COLLISIONS AT THE LHC
- A. LHC Creates black holes as CERN Predicted (1 per second)
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- B. Micro Black holes do not evaporate as LSAG accepts is plausible.
- LHC: what if .., cheap nexium pill. . Michelangelo Mangano CERN, TH-PH
- "At the LHC, Nexium professional, some [MBH] ... could start growing"
- LHCSafetyAssessment.Group@cern.ch Sun 3/16/08 6:06 AM
- "... we are not working under teh assumption that BHs decay. ...We are in fact working under the assumption that they are stable"
- Dr, nexium prices. Adam D, buy nexium without prescription. Helfer Do black holes radiate?
- "this prediction rests on two dubious assumptions..."
- "no compelling theoretical case for or against radiation by black holes"
- Dr. William G. Purchase nexium no rx, Unruh and Prof. Ralf Schützhold On the Universality of the Hawking Effect
- "Therefore, whether real black holes emit Hawking radiation or not remains an open question"
- Prof. Buy nexium without prescription, V.A. Belinski On the existence of quantum evaporation of a black hole
- "...the effect [Hawking Radiation] does not exist."
- James Blodgett (Masters Degree in Statistics) 2004 Delphi Study on LHC Risks
- "I asked [15] physicists.., nexium online without a prescription. estimates that Hawking radiation would fail ranged from 0% to 50%..." [average 9.9% doubt].
- LHC: what if .., cheap nexium pill. . Michelangelo Mangano CERN, TH-PH
- B. Micro Black holes do not evaporate as LSAG accepts is plausible.
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- C. One or more micro black holes are captured by Earth's gravity as LSAG accepts as plausible. Nexium generic,
- LHC: what if ... , buy nexium without prescription. Michelangelo Mangano CERN, TH-PH
- "At the LHC, some of them [MBH] will have v<10 km/s, order nexium in canada, will be gravitationally trapped"
- LHCSafetyAssessment.Group@cern.ch Sun 3/16/08 6:06 AM
- "...particles that in head-on collisions ... find themselves at rest." [percentage of at rest results from head-on symmetric collisions unknown]
- LHC: what if ... , buy nexium without prescription. Michelangelo Mangano CERN, TH-PH
- C. One or more micro black holes are captured by Earth's gravity as LSAG accepts as plausible. Nexium generic,
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- D. Buy discount nexium online, Micro Black holes grow exponentially as Dr. Otto E. Buy nexium without prescription, Rossler's paper predicts and calculates.
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- Bill Wwheaton: "while Ressler predicts (& I agree) that a micro-BH inside the Earth would probably grow exponentially after reaching a certain size"
- fyi: Professor Dr. Otto E, buy nexium from india. Rossler's theory is that when a MBH accretes a charged particle, say electron, Nexium, this will not go straight into the MBH, but will circulate around the MBH for a while, and by doing this, a magnetic field will be created which will attract positive and negative charged particles, discount nexium overnight delivery, each at the opposite poles of the MBH, thus accelerating the accretion rate. Generic nexium online, He estimates potentially as few as 50 months from creation to full Earth accretion
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- D. Buy discount nexium online, Micro Black holes grow exponentially as Dr. Otto E. Buy nexium without prescription, Rossler's paper predicts and calculates.
- Do you have any references that don't need to be misrepresented to back up the views expressed on your blog. I got through the first few refs you've provided, before giving up, buy nexium without prescription. You do realise that saying "Even if X were true, Y would still be false", nexium malaysia, does not imply that the writers feel X is is any way true, right. Find discount nexium, -- Mark Chovain 05:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- The assertion is merely that the concept is considered plausible and that it is not reasonable to exclude the possibility. In the case of Hawking Radiation the implication is that the net consensus of the cited authors is that the probability can probably be best estimated at 50% at most. But all that is asserted is only that the concept is plausible and not reasonable to exclude the possibility, nexium buy online. --Jtankers (talk Buy nexium without prescription, ) 05:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Then at best, this whole thing is original research, because you still haven't provided a reference showing that there are valid safety concerns. Your refs do not say that it is plausible. Some say that micro black holes likely exist (at higher energies), Nexium cheapest price, while others say that even if they did exist at low energies, the LHC would still be safe. That is nothing like saying it is plausible that micro black holes will be created at a rate of 1 per second: an assumption your synthesis requires. -- Mark Chovain 05:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- The assertion is merely that the concept is considered plausible and that it is not reasonable to exclude the possibility. In the case of Hawking Radiation the implication is that the net consensus of the cited authors is that the probability can probably be best estimated at 50% at most. But all that is asserted is only that the concept is plausible and not reasonable to exclude the possibility, nexium buy online. --Jtankers (talk Buy nexium without prescription, ) 05:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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- The prediction of possible creation of micro black holes at a rate of 1 per second was posted on CERN's safety web site earlier in 2008. This prediction was also published in the CERN Courier and by other news sources: The case for mini black holes, CERN Courier Quote: "... the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could allow it to become a black-hole factory with a production rate as high as about one per second" I believe this indicates that the assertion is considered plausible by CERN. --Jtankers (talk) 12:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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Tags: 100%, Collider, Danger, Large Hadron Collider, Risk Calculations
June 12th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Changed Risk Assumptions since RHIC risks were calculated, making RHIC risk calculations invalid:
Good points related to expanding the safety arguments that have evaporated. In detail, these are the issues referred to in the statement, new risk assumptions:
Possibility of Micro Black Hole Production
NO, Not Possible: by 1999 Review of Speculative Disaster Scenarios at RHIC In no case has any phenomenon suggestive of gravitational clumping, let alone gravitational collapse or the production of a singularity, been observed” … “but for the foreseeable future values even remotely approaching unity are a pipe dream”
YES, Possible: by CERN … microscopic black holes could be produced in the collisions at the LHC”
YES, Possible: by CERN Courier the 14 TeV centre-of-mass energy of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could allow it to become a black-hole factory with a production rate as high as about one per second”
Assumption that Hawking Radiation is Valid
YES, Assumed by CERN Black holes lose matter … via a process discovered by Stephen Hawking. Any black hole … that might be produced at the LHC, will shrink, evaporate and disappear”
NO, Not Assumed by LSAG “At the LHC, some {MBH} … could start growing””
NO, Not Assumed by Dr. Adam D. Helfer no compelling theoretical case for or against radiation by black holes”
NO, Not Assumed by Dr. William G. Unruh and Prof. Ralf Schützhold Therefore, whether real black holes emit Hawking radiation or not remains an open question”
NO, Not Assumed by Prof. V.A. Belinski …the effect {Hawking Radiation} does not exist.”
Assumption that Cosmic Rays Impacts with Earth prove safety:
YES, Assumed by CERN Since the much higher-energy collisions provided by Nature for billions of years have not harmed the Earth, there is no reason to think that any phenomenon produced by the LHC will do so.”
NO, Not Assumed by LSAG Problems with using “cosmic rays hitting the Earth” to rule out Black Holes” … they fly through the Earth like a neutrino
Both sides are stating opposing safety and legal positions, and counter concerns also exist with respect to safety statements making implications of unconfirmed, unsupported and refuted assertions:
: Evidence refutes [1.1] [1.1] the veracity of statement part 1.
1. “”… physicists in general do not question the assumption that black holes are generally unstable””
: Evidence refutes [2.1] [2.2] the veracity of statement part 2.
2. “”… and those few who have pointed out issues with Hawking radiation were only attempting to achieve a more rigorous proof of it.””
And statement 3. is not supported by a released safety report, only by a public information web page [3.1] and ‘draft’ safety outline [3.2] and is credibly refuted [3.3].
3 “”… even if micro black holes were created and were stable, they would pose no reasonable threat to the Earth during its remaining 5 billion years of existence.””
–[[User:Jtankers|Jtankers]] ([[User talk:Jtankers|talk]]) 18:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
October 3rd, 2008 at 7:27 am
Must be watching too much sci-fi horror movies.
October 3rd, 2008 at 6:53 pm
After a sci-fi horror movie it is possible to walk away perhaps shaken, maybe moved but definitely alive. This is what physicists think the world is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnkE2yQPw6s&feature
What exactly does it take to shatter the isolation that we currently enjoy from co-existing alternate realities and is it even remotely possible we would be able to do it. The short answer is yes it is.