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&lt;div&gt;

Are the operators of this experiment taking the same type of risk that the managers of the space shuttle Challenger did? &lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;paraphrase:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
"&lt;em&gt;Risk? What risk, we have a 300% safety margin! Launch!&lt;/em&gt;"
- JTankers, &lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;computer scientist and independent researcher&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;img title="Prof. Dr. Otto E. Rössler" src="http://www.scholarpedia.org/wiki/images/e/e6/Otto_rossler.jpg" alt="Prof. Dr. Otto E. Rössler" /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/User:Rossler" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Prof. Dr. Otto E. Rössler&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, creator of Chaos Theory's Rossler Attractor&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;“ &lt;strong&gt;...after 50 months the earth to a centimeter would have shrunk. It would be nothing more there, not only no more life, there but also the earth would be... a small black hole.&lt;/strong&gt;
-&lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/User:Rossler" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Prof. Dr. Otto E. Rössler&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;[1]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.golem.de/0802/57477.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;[2]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/User:Rossler" rel="nofollow"&gt;[3]&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;“ … &lt;strong&gt;the scientists are fully aware that it is not a project without a grave risk to the life of the Earth.”&lt;/strong&gt;
-&lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.internationalreporter.com/News-3458/If-LHC-research-fails,-it-may-shrink-the-Earth-.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dr. Raj Baldev&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.internationalreporter.com/News-3458/If-LHC-research-fails,-it-may-shrink-the-Earth-.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;[1]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=2326" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;[2]&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Question: COULD THIS BE THE MOST DANGEROUS EXPERIMENT IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND?&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;div&gt;It is certainly the largest. It is a 17 mile underground tunnel that was begun in 1983 and forms a circle under two countries, France and Switzerland. And it is about to be part of the most anticipated scientific experiment ever created by man.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;The European Center for Nuclear Research (CERN) is just weeks away from firing up the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). This is the most powerful particle collider ever created and it will accelerate trillions of heavy lead particles to almost the speed of light and then smash them together head on. These head-on collisions at a combined rate of two times the speed of light (relative to the observer) will create an enormous concentrated energy of 1,150 TeV, tera (trillion) electronvolts, or 1.15 Quadrillion electronvolts of energy. This is expected to create conditions that haven't existed since the big bang.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This experiment is being carried out by some of the world's top scientists, including Nobel Prize winners. Their hope is to smash atoms into smaller pieces than ever before possible so that they can verify the veracity of several theories which have never been proven. If they can do this, they will win more Nobel Prizes and receive other great rewards.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;The problem is that at this energy, at this scale of physics, almost all we know is based on theories, the very theories they are trying to prove. And some of these theories predict that when those atoms smash together at such a high energy, the conversion of energy to mass (E=mc2) could create miniature black holes or worse. These MBH's could possibly be captured by the earth's gravity and begin gathering matter from the center of the earth. If this were to happen, our entire beautiful planet could be compacted down to the size of a golf ball. This is a very dangerous experiment simply because we are right on the frontier of what we know and what we can only imagine.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This subject is very complex and there is a heated debate raging from both sides of the issue. Our goal here at LHCFacts.org is to lend a voice to the growing movement of people that would like to see a thorough safety review performed by some group that is not beholden to the scientists at CERN and does not have a financial interest in this billion dollar experiment. Please read through the material we have compiled and let us know your thoughts by posting comments. Let us know if you think we have gotten something wrong, too. We are not physicists. We are only collecting the words of the physicists and putting together a story. And in return, we hope to receive a story of safety back from CERN. So far, CERN has promised us such a story, but has not delivered. And the zero hour draws uncomfortably near.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;So please, have a seat and read on. The scientists at CERN have a lot invested in this experiment. They may be willing to take risks that you and I would be appalled at. This is why it is important that we learn all we can about the LHC, before it is too late.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;-Another&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="color: #800000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;INTERNAL ARTICLE OF THE DAY&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;:
&lt;ol&gt;a.  &lt;a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=48" rel="nofollow"&gt;James Blodgett’s Deductive Logic&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt; &lt;em&gt;by Another&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;b.  &lt;a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=50" rel="nofollow"&gt;First Hearing in US Federal Court of Hawaii, June 16, 2008&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt; &lt;em&gt;by JTankers&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;c.  &lt;a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=44" rel="nofollow"&gt;Culture of Superiority?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt; &lt;em&gt;by JTankers&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;span style="color: #800000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;EXTERNAL ARTICLE OF THE DAY&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;:
&lt;ol&gt;&lt;a href="http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/30/1078538.aspx" rel="nofollow"&gt;DOOMSDAY DEBATE UPDATE&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by Alan Boyle on msnbc cosmic log&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;span style="color: #800000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;EXTERNAL BLOG OF THE DAY&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;:
	&lt;li&gt;6/02
&lt;ol&gt;a. &lt;a href="http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/06/lhc-alarmists-and-culture-of.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;LHC alarmists and the culture of superiority&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by Luboš Motl Pilsen&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;b. &lt;a href="http://martinmeenagh.blogspot.com/2008/06/heartbreaking-book-about-time-travel.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;A heartbreaking book about time travel&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by Martin Meenagh&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;5/31
&lt;ol&gt;&lt;a href="http://opiniondominion.blogspot.com/2006/01/black-holes-at-cern-collider-will.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Black holes at the CERN collider - will physicists bring the earth to a premature end?&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by Steve, Brisbane, Australia&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;5/30
&lt;ol&gt;a. &lt;a href="http://chicalashaw.livejournal.com/48315.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Life at CERN in Pictures&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by Kathryn Chicalashaw&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;b.  &lt;a href="http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/05/the-sad-state-o.html?cid=116885432#comment-116885432" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Sad State of American Particle Physics&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;By Alexis Madrigal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;5/29
&lt;ol&gt;a.  &lt;a href="http://www.alienjesus.com/2008/05/28/william-henry-cern-and-the-goddamn-particle/#comment-4613" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;CERN and the God(damn) Particle&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by William Henry&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;b.  &lt;a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3954539701687541230&#38;postID=2662886044893818320&#38;page=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Large Hadron Collider&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by Bogdan&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;c.  &lt;a href="http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&#38;t=193&#38;st=0&#38;sk=t&#38;sd=a&#38;start=30#p2179" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;A Challenge to JTankers&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by Physicist SU3SU2U1&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: What is the Large Hadron Collider?&lt;/span&gt;
The 'LHC' is the largest, most expensive scientific experiment ever created. It is located along the French and Swiss border and it will create conditions not seen since the first fraction of a second after the big bang 13.7 billion years ago. This experiment is expected to begin colliding particles some time in 2008.

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: Why all the concern now?&lt;/span&gt;
When funding for the LHC was approved decades ago, scientists believed that there was no reasonable danger. But then scientists discovered a few years ago that the LHC might create something called a micro black hole, and CERN then predicted that it might create micro black holes at a rate of 1 per second. And the creation of just 1 micro black hole could potentially destroy the planet in our lifetime.

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: But surely no scientist would purposefully destroy the planet, that is just not credible!&lt;/span&gt;
No, the scientists would not purposefully destroy the planet! But they might do it by accident and they might take risks that are much much higher than they are willing to tell you they might. Just like the managers that recommended Launching the Shuttle Challenger did not believe that it would explode. They knew there might be a reasonable risk because their engineers told them there might be a reasonable risk. But the managers said (paraphrase) "there is no proof of reasonable risk... launch!"

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: OK, I want the facts, what questions should I be asking about Large Hadron Collider?&lt;/span&gt;
I recommend the following questions...

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: Scientists are not worried about this experiment are they?&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: Actually some may be worried, according to &lt;a href="http://www.internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=2326" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dr. Raj Baldev&lt;/a&gt;, Cosmo Theorist . Dr. Baldev says "&lt;a href="http://www.internationalreporter.com/News-3458/If-LHC-research-fails,-it-may-shrink-the-Earth-.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; ... the scientists are fully aware that it is not a project without a grave risk to the life of the Earth.&lt;/a&gt;"

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: Micro black holes probably won't be created will they?&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: Actually according to &lt;a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/Safety-en.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;CERN's safety web site&lt;/a&gt; in 2008 predicted creation of up to 1 micro black hole per second. And CERN still predicts that micro black hole creation will not be an unexpected event."

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: Wouldn't more powerful cosmic rays create micro black holes if particle colliders could?&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: Some scientists have argued that cosmic ray collisions are the same as head-on collider conditions, but the facts do not support that assertion. Occasionally a cosmic ray may involve a single proton traveling so fast that it may have more net energy when impacting a relatively stationary particle on Earth, but the results will be safely sent into space. Head-on collider collisions may involve thousands of protons (or protons to anti-protons) colliding all at the same time, head-on at 99.9999991% of the speed of light in both directions (&lt;em&gt;colliding similar to a head-on car collision&lt;/em&gt;) in temperatures lower than space with powerful magnetic fields to help focus all the energy to a single point in space (&lt;em&gt;extreme focus of potentially much more mass than a stray cosmic ray&lt;/em&gt;) and particles created may be captured by Earth's gravity, possibly including the first micro black hole that might be created containing thousands of protons or the energy of thousands of protons and/ anti-protons, in the first second of full energy collisions. The differences between cosmic ray impacts and collider collisions are significant and numerous.

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: Don't Micro Black Holes just evaporate?&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: The black holes we know of grow at rapid rates, and the following PHDs and Professors of Math and Physics argue that micro black holes might only grow:
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0000ff;"&gt;Dr. Adam D. Helfer&lt;/span&gt;: &lt;a class="postlink" href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042" rel="nofollow"&gt;Do black holes radiate?&lt;/a&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;"&lt;em&gt;this prediction rests on two dubious assumptions...&lt;/em&gt;"&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;"&lt;em&gt;no compelling theoretical case for or against radiation by black holes&lt;/em&gt;"&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0000ff;"&gt;Dr. William G. Unruh and Prof. Ralf Schützhold&lt;/span&gt;: &lt;a class="postlink" href="http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0408/0408009v2.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;On the Universality of the Hawking Effect&lt;/a&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;"&lt;em&gt;Therefore, whether real black holes emit Hawking radiation or not remains an open question&lt;/em&gt;"&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0000ff;"&gt;Prof. V.A. Belinski&lt;/span&gt;: &lt;a class="postlink" href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/els/03759601/1995/00000209/00000001/art00785" rel="nofollow"&gt;On the existence of quantum evaporation of a black hole&lt;/a&gt; "quote"
	&lt;li&gt;"&lt;em&gt;...the effect [Hawking Radiation] does not exist.&lt;/em&gt;"&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0000ff;"&gt;Dr. Adam D. Helfer&lt;/span&gt;: &lt;a class="postlink" href="http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0503/0503052v1.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;QUANTUM NATURE OF BLACK HOLES&lt;/a&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;"&lt;em&gt;...the correct picture of a black hole is very different&lt;/em&gt;"&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;"&lt;em&gt;...completely alters the picture drawn by Hawking&lt;/em&gt;"&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: But don't most physicists still believe that micro black holes will evaporate?&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: Actually &lt;span style="color: #0000ff;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=7" rel="nofollow"&gt;James Blodgett&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, who has a masters degree in statistics conducted a Delphi Study of 15 physicists, and he says "In 2004, I tried a series of Delphi questionnaires in which I asked physicists their estimates of several components of collider risk. As an example of the variability, estimates that Hawking radiation would fail ranged from 0% to 50%. The data are as follows: 0, 0, 1E-10, 0.001, 0.01, 0.01, 0.01, 0.02, 0.02, 0.07, 0.1, 0.1, 0.3, 0.35, 0.5. This was... before we were aware of the papers questioning [Hawking Radiation]"..

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: But Stephen Hawking says the experiment is safe, and isn't he one of the most famous scientists on Earth?&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: Actually &lt;span style="color: #0000ff;"&gt;Dr. Stephen Hawking&lt;/span&gt; is famous and creative, and he is hoping to win his first Nobel prize if he can prove that Hawking Radiation is real. But his theories often tend to be disputed or found incorrect. Hawking Radiation theory may prove to follow this trend also.

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: Ok, so if micro black holes are created, and they do not evaporate, then how fast would a micro black hole grow?&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: Germany's &lt;span style="color: #0000ff;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_R%C3%B6ssler" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dr. Otto E. Rosssler&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, inventor of Chaos theory's Rossler attractor, predicts possible &lt;span style="color: #ff0000;"&gt;destruction of the planet in just years or decades&lt;/span&gt;: &lt;a class="postlink" href="http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Abraham-Solution to Schwarzschild Metric Implies That CERN Miniblack Holes Pose a Planetary Risk&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;(Dr. Rossler’s theory is that when a MBH accretes a charged particle, say electron, this will not go straight into the MBH, but will circulate around the MBH for a while, and by doing this, a magnetic field will be created which will attract positive and negative charged particles, each at the opposite poles of the MBH, thus accelerating the accretion rate.)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: What will CERN do if they discover that the Large Hadron Collider is creating micro black holes that don't evaporate?&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: According to recent reports, CERN will stop the experiment. One recent post on the topic reads "... if there was a black hole at the interaction point, we could very easily detect a huge drop in the rate of events within a millisecond (from 40 MHz to 100 Hz) and turn off the accelerator."

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: So we should be safe correct?&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: Unfortunately once a micro black hole has been created, it may be absorbed by the Earth in just seconds. And once that happens, there is no known power on Earth that could halt the process of micro black hole growth.

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: Ok, but why aren't micro black holes created in other colliders?&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: Existing colliders are many times less powerful than the Large Hadron Collider. And most physicists think that the much lower power existing particle colliders have not created micro black holes. However there have been some incidents that hint that science may be close to creating micro black holes even with less powerful colliders. For example, &lt;span style="color: #0000ff;"&gt;Horatiu Nastase&lt;/span&gt; of Brown University writes: "We argue that the fireball observed at RHIC is (the analog of) a dual black hole." &lt;a class="postlink" href="http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0501/0501068v3.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;The RHIC fireball as a dual black hole&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;span style="color: #0000ff;"&gt;Nobel laureate Dr. Eric A. Cornell&lt;/span&gt;, does not rule out the possibility of stable micro black hole creation after an unexpected &lt;a class="postlink" href="http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/2001/cornellwieman-lecture.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;bosenova&lt;/a&gt; implosion at the university of Colorado.

&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Q: I heard there is a lawsuit, what is the status of that?&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: The first hearing in the &lt;a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=9" rel="nofollow"&gt;US legal action&lt;/a&gt; is June 16, 2008 in US District Court of Hawaiian before the honorable &lt;span style="color: #0000ff;"&gt;Judge Helen Gillmor&lt;/span&gt;. Comments include those from the &lt;a href="http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=523574&#38;disqus_reply=470674#comment-470674" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Harvard Crimson&lt;/a&gt; "[this lawsuit is] not frivolous" You may assist nuclear physicist Walter L Wagner with the legal action at &lt;a href="http://www.LHCDefense.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;LHCDefense.org&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: smaller;"&gt;Nuclear Physicist Walter L Wagner is noted for his role in the discovery of an anomalous &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray" rel="nofollow"&gt;cosmic ray&lt;/a&gt; in 1975 that was tentatively identified as a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole" rel="nofollow"&gt;magnetic monopole&lt;/a&gt;. See Time magazine, August 25, 1975, "Bring it Back Alive" and "Evidence for the Detection of a Moving Magnetic Monopole", Physical Review Letters,. Vol. 35, (1975)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A recent blog sums up the arguments fairly well I think&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;[User] wrote:... I can't even begin to explain why. This is patently ridiculous that someone would be "anti-safety"&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Let me help explain. On another forum I posted the following in response to a safety argument:
&lt;blockquote&gt;[user] wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf

Thus, the currently accepted “safety net“ can be described as having 4 levels:
(i) the miniholes may fail to appear;
(ii) the overwhelming majority will leave the earth immediately;
(iii) all will evaporate;
(iv) if not, a long period of linear growth – “1 quark per week eaten“ – lets them be
pussycats since it will take at least a million years before they “eat the earth“ [3,4].&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What if there's a level (v)?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;The problem is we don't know the answer to any of the questions above, they are not safety net, they are simply unknowns.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;(i) miniholes may appear at a rate of 1 per second as CERN predicted;
(ii) one stable mbh could accrete [destroy] the planet, and most multi-proton mbhs might have velocities too slow to escape Earth;
(iii) evaporation may be a myth as Professor Belinski argues;
(iv) linear growth may be myth as Dr. Rossler argues;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;Recall the management argument before the last launch of the shuttle Challenger "What risk? 300% safety margin, launch!"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Another recent blog is also a good indication of the state of the science on this topic:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;[user] wrote: Seriously. We get it. Wikipedia has an inadequate analogy on their page. For crying out loud, it's irrelevant. This doesn't even remotely belong on the front page. It's completely irrelevant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;em&gt;It is absolutely relevant. If you had a reasonable explanation for the mechanics of Hawking Radiation you would be fighting to post it correctly on Wikipedia.
The fact that you do not is fairly strong evidence that you can not, and a fairly strong indicator that black holes losing energy is a conjecture, a conjecture that requires Dr. Albert Einstein to be doubly wrong according to Dr. Stephen Hawking, that may very likely be absolutely incorrect with potentially very serious consequences.&lt;/em&gt;

(&lt;em&gt;For more Facts view the &lt;a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=4" rel="nofollow"&gt;Hawking Radiation&lt;/a&gt; topic&lt;/em&gt;)

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<p>Are the operators of this experiment taking the same type of risk that the managers of the space shuttle Challenger did? <span style="font-size: smaller;"><em>paraphrase:</em></span><br />
&#8220;<em>Risk? What risk, we have a 300% safety margin! Launch!</em>&#8221;<br />
- JTankers, <span style="font-size: smaller;">computer scientist and independent researcher</span></p>
<p><img title="Prof. Dr. Otto E. Rössler" src="http://www.scholarpedia.org/wiki/images/e/e6/Otto_rossler.jpg" alt="Prof. Dr. Otto E. Rössler" /><br />
<span style="font-size: smaller;"><a href="http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/User:Rossler" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><em>Prof. Dr. Otto E. Rössler</em></a>, creator of Chaos Theory&#8217;s Rossler Attractor</span></p>
<blockquote><p>“ <strong>&#8230;after 50 months the earth to a centimeter would have shrunk. It would be nothing more there, not only no more life, there but also the earth would be&#8230; a small black hole.</strong><br />
-<span style="font-size: smaller;"><a href="http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/User:Rossler" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><em>Prof. Dr. Otto E. Rössler</em></a> <a href="http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[1]</a> <a href="http://www.golem.de/0802/57477.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[2]</a> <a href="http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/User:Rossler" rel="nofollow">[3]</a><br />
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<blockquote><p>“ … <strong>the scientists are fully aware that it is not a project without a grave risk to the life of the Earth.”</strong><br />
-<span style="font-size: smaller;"><a href="http://www.internationalreporter.com/News-3458/If-LHC-research-fails,-it-may-shrink-the-Earth-.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Dr. Raj Baldev</em></a> <a href="http://www.internationalreporter.com/News-3458/If-LHC-research-fails,-it-may-shrink-the-Earth-.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[1]</a> <a href="http://www.internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=2326" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[2]</a><br />
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<p><strong>Question: COULD THIS BE THE MOST DANGEROUS EXPERIMENT IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND?</strong></p>
<div>It is certainly the largest. It is a 17 mile underground tunnel that was begun in 1983 and forms a circle under two countries, France and Switzerland. And it is about to be part of the most anticipated scientific experiment ever created by man.</div>
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<div>The European Center for Nuclear Research (CERN) is just weeks away from firing up the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). This is the most powerful particle collider ever created and it will accelerate trillions of heavy lead particles to almost the speed of light and then smash them together head on. These head-on collisions at a combined rate of two times the speed of light (relative to the observer) will create an enormous concentrated energy of 1,150 TeV, tera (trillion) electronvolts, or 1.15 Quadrillion electronvolts of energy. This is expected to create conditions that haven&#8217;t existed since the big bang.</div>
<div>This experiment is being carried out by some of the world&#8217;s top scientists, including Nobel Prize winners. Their hope is to smash atoms into smaller pieces than ever before possible so that they can verify the veracity of several theories which have never been proven. If they can do this, they will win more Nobel Prizes and receive other great rewards.</div>
<div>The problem is that at this energy, at this scale of physics, almost all we know is based on theories, the very theories they are trying to prove. And some of these theories predict that when those atoms smash together at such a high energy, the conversion of energy to mass (E=mc2) could create miniature black holes or worse. These MBH&#8217;s could possibly be captured by the earth&#8217;s gravity and begin gathering matter from the center of the earth. If this were to happen, our entire beautiful planet could be compacted down to the size of a golf ball. This is a very dangerous experiment simply because we are right on the frontier of what we know and what we can only imagine.</div>
<div>This subject is very complex and there is a heated debate raging from both sides of the issue. Our goal here at LHCFacts.org is to lend a voice to the growing movement of people that would like to see a thorough safety review performed by some group that is not beholden to the scientists at CERN and does not have a financial interest in this billion dollar experiment. Please read through the material we have compiled and let us know your thoughts by posting comments. Let us know if you think we have gotten something wrong, too. We are not physicists. We are only collecting the words of the physicists and putting together a story. And in return, we hope to receive a story of safety back from CERN. So far, CERN has promised us such a story, but has not delivered. And the zero hour draws uncomfortably near.</div>
<div>So please, have a seat and read on. The scientists at CERN have a lot invested in this experiment. They may be willing to take risks that you and I would be appalled at. This is why it is important that we learn all we can about the LHC, before it is too late.</div>
<div>-Another</div>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>INTERNAL ARTICLE OF THE DAY</strong></span>:</p>
<ol>a.  <a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=48" rel="nofollow">James Blodgett’s Deductive Logic</a><span style="font-size: smaller;"> <em>by Another</em></span></ol>
<ol>b.  <a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=50" rel="nofollow">First Hearing in US Federal Court of Hawaii, June 16, 2008</a><span style="font-size: smaller;"> <em>by JTankers</em></span></ol>
<ol>c.  <a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=44" rel="nofollow">Culture of Superiority?</a><span style="font-size: smaller;"> <em>by JTankers</em></span></ol>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>EXTERNAL ARTICLE OF THE DAY</strong></span>:</p>
<ol><a href="http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/30/1078538.aspx" rel="nofollow">DOOMSDAY DEBATE UPDATE</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;"><em>by Alan Boyle on msnbc cosmic log</em></span></ol>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>EXTERNAL BLOG OF THE DAY</strong></span>:</p>
<li>6/02
<ol>a. <a href="http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/06/lhc-alarmists-and-culture-of.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">LHC alarmists and the culture of superiority</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;"><em>by Luboš Motl Pilsen</em></span></ol>
<ol>b. <a href="http://martinmeenagh.blogspot.com/2008/06/heartbreaking-book-about-time-travel.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">A heartbreaking book about time travel</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;"><em>by Martin Meenagh</em></span></ol>
</li>
<li>5/31
<ol><a href="http://opiniondominion.blogspot.com/2006/01/black-holes-at-cern-collider-will.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Black holes at the CERN collider - will physicists bring the earth to a premature end?</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;"><em>by Steve, Brisbane, Australia</em></span></ol>
</li>
<li>5/30
<ol>a. <a href="http://chicalashaw.livejournal.com/48315.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Life at CERN in Pictures</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;"><em>by Kathryn Chicalashaw</em></span></ol>
<ol>b.  <a href="http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/05/the-sad-state-o.html?cid=116885432#comment-116885432" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The Sad State of American Particle Physics</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;"><em>By Alexis Madrigal</em></span></ol>
</li>
<li>5/29
<ol>a.  <a href="http://www.alienjesus.com/2008/05/28/william-henry-cern-and-the-goddamn-particle/#comment-4613" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CERN and the God(damn) Particle</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;"><em>by William Henry</em></span></ol>
<ol>b.  <a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3954539701687541230&amp;postID=2662886044893818320&amp;page=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The Large Hadron Collider</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;"><em>by Bogdan</em></span></ol>
<ol>c.  <a href="http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=193&amp;st=0&amp;sk=t&amp;sd=a&amp;start=30#p2179" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">A Challenge to JTankers</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;"><em>by Physicist SU3SU2U1</em></span></ol>
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<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: What is the Large Hadron Collider?</span><br />
The &#8216;LHC&#8217; is the largest, most expensive scientific experiment ever created. It is located along the French and Swiss border and it will create conditions not seen since the first fraction of a second after the big bang 13.7 billion years ago. This experiment is expected to begin colliding particles some time in 2008.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: Why all the concern now?</span><br />
When funding for the LHC was approved decades ago, scientists believed that there was no reasonable danger. But then scientists discovered a few years ago that the LHC might create something called a micro black hole, and CERN then predicted that it might create micro black holes at a rate of 1 per second. And the creation of just 1 micro black hole could potentially destroy the planet in our lifetime.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: But surely no scientist would purposefully destroy the planet, that is just not credible!</span><br />
No, the scientists would not purposefully destroy the planet! But they might do it by accident and they might take risks that are much much higher than they are willing to tell you they might. Just like the managers that recommended Launching the Shuttle Challenger did not believe that it would explode. They knew there might be a reasonable risk because their engineers told them there might be a reasonable risk. But the managers said (paraphrase) &#8220;there is no proof of reasonable risk&#8230; launch!&#8221;</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: OK, I want the facts, what questions should I be asking about Large Hadron Collider?</span><br />
I recommend the following questions&#8230;</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: Scientists are not worried about this experiment are they?</span><br />
<strong>A</strong>: Actually some may be worried, according to <a href="http://www.internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=2326" rel="nofollow">Dr. Raj Baldev</a>, Cosmo Theorist . Dr. Baldev says &#8220;<a href="http://www.internationalreporter.com/News-3458/If-LHC-research-fails,-it-may-shrink-the-Earth-.html" rel="nofollow"> &#8230; the scientists are fully aware that it is not a project without a grave risk to the life of the Earth.</a>&#8221;</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: Micro black holes probably won&#8217;t be created will they?</span><br />
<strong>A</strong>: Actually according to <a href="http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/Safety-en.html" rel="nofollow">CERN&#8217;s safety web site</a> in 2008 predicted creation of up to 1 micro black hole per second. And CERN still predicts that micro black hole creation will not be an unexpected event.&#8221;</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: Wouldn&#8217;t more powerful cosmic rays create micro black holes if particle colliders could?</span><br />
<strong>A</strong>: Some scientists have argued that cosmic ray collisions are the same as head-on collider conditions, but the facts do not support that assertion. Occasionally a cosmic ray may involve a single proton traveling so fast that it may have more net energy when impacting a relatively stationary particle on Earth, but the results will be safely sent into space. Head-on collider collisions may involve thousands of protons (or protons to anti-protons) colliding all at the same time, head-on at 99.9999991% of the speed of light in both directions (<em>colliding similar to a head-on car collision</em>) in temperatures lower than space with powerful magnetic fields to help focus all the energy to a single point in space (<em>extreme focus of potentially much more mass than a stray cosmic ray</em>) and particles created may be captured by Earth&#8217;s gravity, possibly including the first micro black hole that might be created containing thousands of protons or the energy of thousands of protons and/ anti-protons, in the first second of full energy collisions. The differences between cosmic ray impacts and collider collisions are significant and numerous.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: Don&#8217;t Micro Black Holes just evaporate?</span><br />
<strong>A</strong>: The black holes we know of grow at rapid rates, and the following PHDs and Professors of Math and Physics argue that micro black holes might only grow:</p>
<ul><span style="color: #0000ff;">Dr. Adam D. Helfer</span>: <a class="postlink" href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042" rel="nofollow">Do black holes radiate?</a></p>
<li>&#8220;<em>this prediction rests on two dubious assumptions&#8230;</em>&#8220;</li>
<li>&#8220;<em>no compelling theoretical case for or against radiation by black holes</em>&#8220;</li>
</ul>
<ul><span style="color: #0000ff;">Dr. William G. Unruh and Prof. Ralf Schützhold</span>: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0408/0408009v2.pdf" rel="nofollow">On the Universality of the Hawking Effect</a></p>
<li>&#8220;<em>Therefore, whether real black holes emit Hawking radiation or not remains an open question</em>&#8220;</li>
</ul>
<ul><span style="color: #0000ff;">Prof. V.A. Belinski</span>: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/els/03759601/1995/00000209/00000001/art00785" rel="nofollow">On the existence of quantum evaporation of a black hole</a> &#8220;quote&#8221;</p>
<li>&#8220;<em>&#8230;the effect [Hawking Radiation] does not exist.</em>&#8220;</li>
</ul>
<ul><span style="color: #0000ff;">Dr. Adam D. Helfer</span>: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0503/0503052v1.pdf" rel="nofollow">QUANTUM NATURE OF BLACK HOLES</a></p>
<li>&#8220;<em>&#8230;the correct picture of a black hole is very different</em>&#8220;</li>
<li>&#8220;<em>&#8230;completely alters the picture drawn by Hawking</em>&#8220;</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: But don&#8217;t most physicists still believe that micro black holes will evaporate?</span><br />
<strong>A</strong>: Actually <span style="color: #0000ff;"><a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=7" rel="nofollow">James Blodgett</a></span>, who has a masters degree in statistics conducted a Delphi Study of 15 physicists, and he says &#8220;In 2004, I tried a series of Delphi questionnaires in which I asked physicists their estimates of several components of collider risk. As an example of the variability, estimates that Hawking radiation would fail ranged from 0% to 50%. The data are as follows: 0, 0, 1E-10, 0.001, 0.01, 0.01, 0.01, 0.02, 0.02, 0.07, 0.1, 0.1, 0.3, 0.35, 0.5. This was&#8230; before we were aware of the papers questioning [Hawking Radiation]&#8220;..</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: But Stephen Hawking says the experiment is safe, and isn&#8217;t he one of the most famous scientists on Earth?</span><br />
<strong>A</strong>: Actually <span style="color: #0000ff;">Dr. Stephen Hawking</span> is famous and creative, and he is hoping to win his first Nobel prize if he can prove that Hawking Radiation is real. But his theories often tend to be disputed or found incorrect. Hawking Radiation theory may prove to follow this trend also.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: Ok, so if micro black holes are created, and they do not evaporate, then how fast would a micro black hole grow?</span><br />
<strong>A</strong>: Germany&#8217;s <span style="color: #0000ff;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_R%C3%B6ssler" rel="nofollow">Dr. Otto E. Rosssler</a></span>, inventor of Chaos theory&#8217;s Rossler attractor, predicts possible <span style="color: #ff0000;">destruction of the planet in just years or decades</span>: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf" rel="nofollow">Abraham-Solution to Schwarzschild Metric Implies That CERN Miniblack Holes Pose a Planetary Risk</a></p>
<p><span style="font-size: smaller;"><em>(Dr. Rossler’s theory is that when a MBH accretes a charged particle, say electron, this will not go straight into the MBH, but will circulate around the MBH for a while, and by doing this, a magnetic field will be created which will attract positive and negative charged particles, each at the opposite poles of the MBH, thus accelerating the accretion rate.)</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: What will CERN do if they discover that the Large Hadron Collider is creating micro black holes that don&#8217;t evaporate?</span><br />
<strong>A</strong>: According to recent reports, CERN will stop the experiment. One recent post on the topic reads &#8220;&#8230; if there was a black hole at the interaction point, we could very easily detect a huge drop in the rate of events within a millisecond (from 40 MHz to 100 Hz) and turn off the accelerator.&#8221;</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: So we should be safe correct?</span><br />
<strong>A</strong>: Unfortunately once a micro black hole has been created, it may be absorbed by the Earth in just seconds. And once that happens, there is no known power on Earth that could halt the process of micro black hole growth.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: Ok, but why aren&#8217;t micro black holes created in other colliders?</span><br />
<strong>A</strong>: Existing colliders are many times less powerful than the Large Hadron Collider. And most physicists think that the much lower power existing particle colliders have not created micro black holes. However there have been some incidents that hint that science may be close to creating micro black holes even with less powerful colliders. For example, <span style="color: #0000ff;">Horatiu Nastase</span> of Brown University writes: &#8220;We argue that the fireball observed at RHIC is (the analog of) a dual black hole.&#8221; <a class="postlink" href="http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0501/0501068v3.pdf" rel="nofollow">The RHIC fireball as a dual black hole</a>, and <span style="color: #0000ff;">Nobel laureate Dr. Eric A. Cornell</span>, does not rule out the possibility of stable micro black hole creation after an unexpected <a class="postlink" href="http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/2001/cornellwieman-lecture.pdf" rel="nofollow">bosenova</a> implosion at the university of Colorado.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Q: I heard there is a lawsuit, what is the status of that?</span><br />
<strong>A</strong>: The first hearing in the <a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=9" rel="nofollow">US legal action</a> is June 16, 2008 in US District Court of Hawaiian before the honorable <span style="color: #0000ff;">Judge Helen Gillmor</span>. Comments include those from the <a href="http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=523574&amp;disqus_reply=470674#comment-470674" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Harvard Crimson</a> &#8220;[this lawsuit is] not frivolous&#8221; You may assist nuclear physicist Walter L Wagner with the legal action at <a href="http://www.LHCDefense.org" rel="nofollow">LHCDefense.org</a></p>
<p><em><span style="font-size: smaller;">Nuclear Physicist Walter L Wagner is noted for his role in the discovery of an anomalous <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray" rel="nofollow">cosmic ray</a> in 1975 that was tentatively identified as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole" rel="nofollow">magnetic monopole</a>. See Time magazine, August 25, 1975, &#8220;Bring it Back Alive&#8221; and &#8220;Evidence for the Detection of a Moving Magnetic Monopole&#8221;, Physical Review Letters,. Vol. 35, (1975)</span></em></p>
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<strong>A recent blog sums up the arguments fairly well I think</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>[User] wrote:&#8230; I can&#8217;t even begin to explain why. This is patently ridiculous that someone would be &#8220;anti-safety&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Let me help explain. On another forum I posted the following in response to a safety argument:</p>
<blockquote><p>[user] wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf</a></p>
<p>Thus, the currently accepted “safety net“ can be described as having 4 levels:<br />
(i) the miniholes may fail to appear;<br />
(ii) the overwhelming majority will leave the earth immediately;<br />
(iii) all will evaporate;<br />
(iv) if not, a long period of linear growth – “1 quark per week eaten“ – lets them be<br />
pussycats since it will take at least a million years before they “eat the earth“ [3,4].</p></blockquote>
<p>What if there&#8217;s a level (v)?</p></blockquote>
<div><em>The problem is we don&#8217;t know the answer to any of the questions above, they are not safety net, they are simply unknowns.</em></div>
<div><em>(i) miniholes may appear at a rate of 1 per second as CERN predicted;<br />
(ii) one stable mbh could accrete [destroy] the planet, and most multi-proton mbhs might have velocities too slow to escape Earth;<br />
(iii) evaporation may be a myth as Professor Belinski argues;<br />
(iv) linear growth may be myth as Dr. Rossler argues;</em></div>
<div><em>Recall the management argument before the last launch of the shuttle Challenger &#8220;What risk? 300% safety margin, launch!&#8221;</em></div>
<div><em><br />
<strong>Another recent blog is also a good indication of the state of the science on this topic:</strong></em></div>
<blockquote><p>[user] wrote: Seriously. We get it. Wikipedia has an inadequate analogy on their page. For crying out loud, it&#8217;s irrelevant. This doesn&#8217;t even remotely belong on the front page. It&#8217;s completely irrelevant.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>It is absolutely relevant. If you had a reasonable explanation for the mechanics of Hawking Radiation you would be fighting to post it correctly on Wikipedia.<br />
The fact that you do not is fairly strong evidence that you can not, and a fairly strong indicator that black holes losing energy is a conjecture, a conjecture that requires Dr. Albert Einstein to be doubly wrong according to Dr. Stephen Hawking, that may very likely be absolutely incorrect with potentially very serious consequences.</em></p>
<p>(<em>For more Facts view the <a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=4" rel="nofollow">Hawking Radiation</a> topic</em>)</p>
<p>JTankers<br />
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