Some scientists are very concerned…
To date, Dr. Otto E. Rössler is the most notable scientist to have the courage to speak out about the potential dangers of running the CERN Large Hadron Collider.Here is Dr. Rössler’s plea to the world:
A Rational, Moral and Spiritual Dilemma
by Otto E. Rossler, Division of Theoretical Chemistry, University of Tubingen, F.R.G.
Abstract. A nightmarish situation, that can still be hoped to be averted in time through communication within the scientific community, is drawn attention to. Only a few weeks remain to find out whether the danger is real or nothing but a mirage. After this time window is closed, it will take years until we know whether or not we are doomed. The story line has all the features of a best-selling novel. The reader is asked to contribute constructively.
Introduction
A surreal situation is described as being present: the greatest conceivable danger – the end of both history and future. This author still stands almost alone with a few hard results that completely change the status of a currently running public endeavor. What can and must rationally be done in what order?
The most economic way would be to find out where the error lies in the perceived new danger. Since time is running out, the help of other scientists needs to be solicited. This proves not easy. The two major science journals refuse to publish but equally steadfastly refuse to give a scientific reason for their verdict. The unwillingness of the scientific community to falsify the danger takes the public hostage. This remains true even if the whole danger is only a mirage. To publicize the danger because time is running out is a big decision. The legal term for doing something like this is “instigation of irrational panic.“ Can anyone take this on his or her shoulders?
Most likely, of course, the silent scientific establishment is well-advised to ignore the danger. Nevertheless a younger-generation Nobel laureate in physics recently suggested I should go on – even CERN would profit from the publicity. But at the expense of many ordinary citizens being unnecessarily scared to death, I added.
All I suggest to do is to convene an independent safety conference within the remaining four to ten weeks time. This is very little to ask, but exactly this bit is being refused. Why? It looks as if my scientific proposals are so far-off that anyone who ever had a physics course grasps this immediately while everyone else is deeply impressed by the arguments. Or is this just a crime story made up to boost the publishing rights of an unnamed person?
The Rational Dilemma
The scenario looks unbelievable enough: that a prestigious group of ten thousand mostly young and enthusiastic scientists should unwittingly prepare the greatest conceivable risk to the planet. Both “Trinity“ and “Eniwetak“ – the two previous Russian-roulette feats of our species – would be dwarfed by this third instance, without the protagonists‘ noticing.
You will have realized by now that I do not have a 100-percent proof to offer – just probabilities. The latter can be summed up in 7 points. Those points I have put into the Appendix for conciseness. Here let me at last say what we are talking about. The experiment in question is called the LHC (“Large Hadron Collider“) and is the most expensive and prestigious non-military scientific endeavor ever. Hadrons (protons) are to be hauled against each other at 14 times the power of the previous generation of accelerators and 7 times the maximum energy ever achieved (2.000 Giga-electron-Volts).
The experiment at CERN is completely normal science as far as an understanding of every single element is concerned. Only the implications are unusual here since an unexplained natural threshold (called the electro-weak unification barrier) will be surpassed for the first time. This excites string theorists – perhaps the most sophisticated brand of theoretical physicists – since they have a way to predict that even these minuscule energies (compared to the Planck energy thought necessary before) will be sufficient. Mini black-holes could then arise for the first time in history.
Now my group has discovered that black holes possess a new property (lack of evaporation). The two possibilities – that string theorists are right and that we are right – taken together make for a volatile mixture. In such a case it is the most rational thing for the world to convene a scientific conference to discuss the joint implications before the experiment is allowed to become overcritical.
If this plea is heeded, everything is going to be alright. For we will then all know how the leading experts of the world sum up both their mutual consensus and their currently unresolvable dissent. In either case everyone will see clearly what is the most reasonable response to take. Since rationality will be back, no dilemma will remain.
This statement concludes the rational dimension. What about the two other dimensions?
The Moral Dilemma
This second aspect arises because of the following fact: If anyone points out the rational danger, he or she cannot possibly know what this information will entail in the longer run. People could be misled into panicking, for example. But only if the experiment becomes overcritical before a scientific consensus has been achieved (our current situation unless a miracle happens). Or else after it has been done with the dreaded outcome so that the catastrophe takes its course.
Unexpectedly, there exists a third dismal possibility: that the experiment proceeds and no mini black holes are found. This profoundly distinguishes the present situation from Trinity and Eniwetak (the first atomic fission and fusion explosions which fortunately did not engage the atmosphere). While the probability of a dismal outcome is perhaps no greater this time than it was in the previous instances (“1 percent“), it will not be possible to return to business as usual after the event, this time around: the danger will not be over once the scientists declare that their attempt to produce mini black holes has failed since they found no trace of them. For if mini black holes do not evaporate as predicted, they also leave no decipherable sign of their existence – at first. So a negative and a positive outcome are indistinguishable.
This difference to its predecessors makes the current experiment a guaranteed success: at causing an unprecedented amount of human suffering. For there will be no way to explain to anyone that he or she is safe nor to apologize for the suffering to expect. The rational fear unavoidably caused can only be made to go away by convening a post-facto scientific world conference that proclaims absolute safety. Unfortunately, every scientist who would not agree with this preassigned verdict would act irresponsibly. Since this will be obvious, no one would ever again believe a single word from a scientist. Anti-scientific fundamentalism would have won – even if the experiment proves innocuous in hindsight.
Hysterical irrational responses from the part of the up-until-now uninformed majority of persons and countries on the planet would be preprogrammed for years to come. This medieval angst is a danger almost as great as the experiment itself. No one will be astonished in retrospect that 10,000 scientifically trained minds were unable to anticipate this predictable consequence since this rational deduction belongs, not to the realm of the natural sciences, but rather to that of the humanities and arts. The oversight would nonetheless not be forgiven. This second catastrophe can only be avoided through rapid action – the very safety conference already proposed above.
The Spiritual Dilemma
The third dilemma is the most disturbing, perhaps. The experiment started operation on April the first 2008 (end of the official countdown) and is currently in the process of being booted-up in a step-by-step manner to reach a planned 70 percent performance level this summer: 10,000 GeV (or five times beyond the threshold of danger). Suppose for a moment that this way of proceeding took place, not today but at any earlier time in history. Spiritual questions would then inevitably have posed themselves.
Today, even thinking of this possibility (“sin“?) sounds crazy. Indeed, no spiritual world leader – pope, emperor, helmsman – was or is ready to speak up on behalf of their worldly and spiritual constituencies despite the fact that they were informed in time. Why is this so?
There is an intelligible reason for this third phenomenon, too: It is nothing but probabilities that are at stake here. To decide on such matters is traditionally entrusted to the military – this is what they have been hired to deal with in the first place: sandbox games. Only Gorbachev and Raissa deviated from this preformed path once. Their example illustrates the danger we are presently in: They realized that the equilibrium of deterrence implied a remaining finite risk of bilateral annihilation, but no one currently appreciates their decision. This shows in a nutshell that humankind is no longer able even to notice when it is rescued: Kindynagnosia – the inability to recognize danger – is a collective disturbance caused by mental synchronization. Human beings are still, or once again are, the proverbial lambs of the spiritual. Who would not love them for their innocence?
An Enlightened Response Is Called For
The spiritual dimension goes still farther. Everyone knows today that for the first time in history we possess the tools to do away with the cruelest inequalities on the planet. The computer and the Internet have made this miracle possible: Work done once can be multiplied and transported free of charge. Information has become cost-free. Nevertheless project Lampsacus remains unknown for 14 years (Google and Wikipedia which implement elements of it notwithstanding). In a historical parallel, the
computer-facilitated medical revolution is increasingly withheld from the less well-to-do public even in privileged countries while student fees are re-imposed in defiance of a UNO decision without protest. No one seems to feel his own human rights any more and hence also not those of his neighbor. The notion of cruelty – something that must never happen in the universe – has slipped from public consciousness. Most everybody agrees that someone who rescues people from drowning (like Elias Bierdel) is a “Schlepper.“
If the notion of dignity (for what is killed by cruelty is dignity) has miraculously slipped from public consciousness: why should anyone be expected to stand up for the future of his neighbor’s children since his own children and their future are no longer on his mind? Showing love is almost a taboo topic. But it is the young child – the toddler – who invents benevolence out of nothing because no one in the cosmos is wiser or greater. Possessing benevolence and being a person are one and the same thing.
Make the test and ask your child whether the LHC emperor has any clothes on. He/she will ask you back to explain what you mean since Hans-Christian Andersen is no longer well known. The returned question will enable you to tell the truth: “Darling, no one seems to know for sure – only after a scientific conference will anyone be able to say.“ Then your child will ask you what you did to make this conference happen. Will you reply: “Darling, I am not a scientist“?
To conclude, I ask you to forgive me for stirring up your waking day. Buddha would do the same thing (now I am crazy!) and Jacob and Martin Luther. Notwithstanding the fact that most hopefully – knock on wood – the danger does not exist. The Appendix demonstrates that we still can find out in time. A petition inviting every parent to sign is on the Internet (just google “Honey, I shrunk the earth!“).
Acknowledgments
Kensei Hiwaki, George Lasker and Hugh Gash encouraged me to write this paper. I thank Gottfried Mayer for his early criticism and Artur Schmidt, Joachim Frank, Andy Hilgartner, Roland Maurmair, Wolfgang Fedyszin, Gabriele Schröter, Heino Breilmann, Enrico Pellegrino, Michael Langer, Frank Kuske and Dieter Fröhlich for discussions. For J.O.R.
Appendix:
Seven Reasons for Demanding an LHC Safety Conference
1) Black holes cannot evaporate because their horizon is effectively infinitely far away in spacetime according to a new theorem in the Schwarzschild metric (“Â-theorem“) [1].
2) Black holes are effectively uncharged because of the Â-theorem [1]. Therefore, charged elementary particles cannot at the same time be black holes (or point-shaped). Hence nonpointshaped mini-objects exist already. This makes mini black holes much more likely.
3) Mini black holes grow exponentially rather than linearly inside the earth: “miniquasar principle“ [2]. Hence the time needed by a resident mini black hole to eat the earth is maximally shortened – perhaps down to “50 months.“ This contrasts with the “50 million years“ obtained assuming linear growth by BBC-Horizon [3] and CERN’s analogous “5 billion years“ [4].
4) CERN [4,5] counters that if the hoped-for mini black holes are stable as claimed [1], equal stable particles must arise naturally by ultra-fast cosmic-ray protons colliding with planetbound protons. This is correct. However, there remains a fundamental difference: only the man-made ones are “symmetrically generated“ and hence dangerous. For they alone are slow enough with respect to the earth that one of them (at less than 11 km/sec) can take residence – in contrast to the almost-luminal speeds of their natural cousins.
5) CERN‘s counterargument could still hold true for more compact celestial bodies than the earth – such that their lifetimes would be drastically reduced in defiance of observation if mini black holes exist. A quantitative bound can be derived from this argument: Take white dwarfs first. They are 105 times denser than earth while being the same size. Hence their cross-section for a mini black hole passing-through is by a factor of 105 greater than earth‘s. They remain safe if no more than 104 eating-type collisions with a quark await a fast natural mini black hole entering them (so it can pass through). Why? Because the energy of 14.000 GeV pumped into two colliding protons at CERN is 14.000 times the rest mass of a proton (1 GeV). Therefore a mini black hole born of two quarks (one from each proton) likewise has about 14,000 times the rest mass of a quark. Hence by momentum conservation, only about 14,000 (104) collisions with a resident quark can be survived by a fast natural mini black hole of the LHC energy without losing its almost-luminal speed. If this bound applies to white dwarfs, no more than about 0.1 collisions must await a CERN mini black hole on its first passage through the earth. This estimate appears plausible.
6) The just-obtained number presupposes that the nonlinear growth process of point (3) is inapplicable if very dense matter is passed through at almost-luminal speeds. The by very many orders of magnitude shorter collision intervals let this prediction appear justified.
7) Finally, neutron stars have a by another factor of 109 greater density than white dwarfs. Since they are a thousand times smaller, they are a million times more susceptible. But they are protected by quantum coherence effects of the superfluidity type: so mini black holes can pass without friction. The superfluidity extends to the “inner crust“ [6].
In order to exclude that man-made mini black holes endanger the earth, it will be necessary to falsify the first of the 7 points, or if this is not possible the second, and so forth. Until this task has been solved, no one can shoulder the responsibility to give the “green light“ to the LHC‘s crossing the 2.000 GeV barrier, as this is currently planned to do within a few weeks. It thus appears that only an immediate safety conference can save the LHC experiment.
References
[1] O.E. Rossler, “Abraham-like return to constant c in general relativity: Â-theorem derived in Schwarzschild metric.“ Chaos, Solitons and Fractals (in press). Preprint on: www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/ottoroesslerminiblackhole.pdf
[2] O.E. Rossler, “Abraham-solution to Schwarzschild metric implies that CERN miniblack holes pose a planetary risk“ (submitted on September 27, 2007). Also on the above URL.
[3] www.BBC.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/universe/VOTE/
[4] M. Mangano, in: interview with Michael Liebe, golem.de (in German), www.golem.de/0802157477.html
[5[ R. Landua, in: interview with Andreas Séché, pm-magazin.de (in German), www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TjYobXKebM
[6] G. Colò, “A microscopic quantal calculation of the superfluidity of the inner crust of neutron stars“ (Abstract). www.mi.infn.it/~colo/TRENTO/Abstracts/gori.txt.
Professor Rossler’s explains the Rational and Moral and Spiritual Dilemma that the Large Hadron Collider poses in his June 25, 2008 interview 20 minuten News interview “Biggest crimes of humanity”
Professor Rossler theorizes that Hawking Radiation is not possible and micro black holes could become charged and grow exponentially. Dr. Rossler is also due to meet Swiss president Pascal Couchepin in mid August to discuss these concerns.
Update: Dr. Rössler’s interview with science journalist Alan Gillis, Scientific Blogging, August 12, 2008
Nuclear Physicist and Lawyer Walter L. Wagner
Update: Nuclear Physicist and Attorney Walter L. Wagner Interview on CoastToCoastAM.com, August 3, 2008
Legal papers filed by by plaintiffs in the legal action currently before US Federal Court in Hawaii is available at the LHCDefense.org Legal Room.
Boyle, Alan (March 27, 2008). “Doomsday Fears Spark Lawsuit“. Cosmic Log. msnbc.
“Perhaps cosmic-ray collisions really are creating tiny black holes or strangelets, but those little bits of doomsday zip by too fast to cause any trouble. In the LHC, they say, the bad stuff could hang around long enough to be captured by Earth’s gravity and set off a catastrophe”
(These references are now part of the Wikipedia article Safety of the Large Hadron Collider)
ALERTS
Swiss president to address CERN “black hole” fears Swiss president Pascal Couchepin to meet with Professor Dr. Otto E. Rossler to discuss CERN “black hole fears”.
Wow. -Another
ALERT - (See Updates Below ) The Wikipedia article on the Large Hadron Collider is under attack by CERN advocates. Censorship of the safety concerns is being perpetrated by at least one acknowledged employee of CERN. Developing…
“Another” said in an email, “I find the stepped-up efforts interesting. It makes me think that they are nervous about all the publicity lately. They no longer have the “anticipation of a soon-to-be-released safety report” working for them. They are now fully at the mercy of public opinion. I’m sure this is making them nervous as the zero hour approaches.”
Publicity? At least 13,000 people have visited this site in the past month. And 158,177 people said that the LHC is NOT worth the risk. See below. That is 61% of the 259,307 that are now aware of this issue through that AOL article. Could awareness be over 1 Million? How many people must know your name before you are famous?
UPDATES
Update: No longer blocked, but again under attack: (Professor Rossler Rossler’s interview, [was] blocked from reference on Wikipedia. A CERN employee is again leading efforts to have Dr. Rossler’s content removed from the Wikipedia article. - JTankers)
Update: Trial before US Federal Court in Hawaii is scheduled to begin June 16, 2009 seeking an injunction until safety can be reasonably proven. CERN ignored the summons to appear for the initial hearing.
POLLS
AOL News Poll: Is the giant particle smasher worth the risk? No: 61%, Yes: 39% with 259,307 total votes.
BBC on-line Poll: Is it Worth the Risk? Yes 54%, No: 46%
Large Hadron Collider will destroy Earth: 3 agree, 33 oppose
REPORTS
In a few months collissions are expected to begin at the Large Hadron Collider in Europe, the worlds most powerful “atom smasher“. CERN argues that there is no conceivable danger. Other scientists believe that this experiment may have the potential to destroy planet Earth.
The 2008 LHC Safety Report from CERN’s LHC Safety Assessment Group has been completed and released! [1][2][3][4] Unfortunately some arguments require confirmation. Studies challenging some conclusions will be available soon.
OVERVIEW
(See the Wikipedia article “Safety of the Large Hadron Collider” for an overview of the arguments on both sides.)
In order for Earth to be in danger from micro black holes, the following would need to be true:
Cosmic ray impacts do not prove safety because results of cosmic rays pass through Earth and into space at nearly the speed of light. If colliders can create micro black holes from head-on collisions, some percentage will travel too slowly to escape Earth’s gravity.
SCIENTISTS
Prof. Dr. Otto E. Rössler, creator of Chaos Theory’s Rossler Attractor
Professor Rossler’s June 25, 2008 interview with 20 minuten News “Biggest crimes of humanity”
Professor Rossler’s theories of exponential micro black hole growth: Abraham-Solution to Schwarzschild Metric Implies That CERN Miniblack Holes Pose a Planetary Risk
SCIENTISTS
“ …after 50 months the earth to a centimeter would have shrunk. It would be nothing more there, not only no more life, there but also the earth would be… a small black hole.
-Prof. Dr. Otto E. Rössler, Max Planck Institute, University of Tübingen [1] [2] [3]
“ … the scientists are fully aware that it is not a project without a grave risk to the life of the Earth.”
-Dr. Raj Baldev, Theoretical Cosmology [1] [2]
“… put a stop to this insanity.”
-Teresa E Tutt, Ph.D, Nuclear Engineering Texas A&M University [1]
“… stake the very survival of all life on earth on the truth of their ZPE stuff! … a gamble.”
-Dr. Paul J. Werbos, National Science Foundation [1]
YouTube Coast to Coast AM video
“LHC may cause mini black hole and swallow earth”by Nuclear Physicist Walter L. Wagner [1] [2] [3]
“Whoever sees the Higgs boson, for example, first — they’ll be the ones to get the Nobel Prize… There are 2,000 scientists working on this project, and every single one of them would die to see it completed,’ said Nessi.”
by Marzio Nessi, technical director at CERN’s LHC ATLAS detector
(I assume Mr. Nessi is speaking metaphorically but I fear that he is speaking prophetically. Admin)“Hawking Radiation… 50/50 chance of working or not”
“Once you have identified some problems you have to be able to prove they are not going to happen”
“Cosmic Ray Argument has been Debunked”
ANOTHER
Question: COULD THIS BE THE MOST DANGEROUS EXPERIMENT IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND?
LINKS
NEWS COMMENTARY
EXTERNAL FEATURED ARTICLE/BLOG
- Scientist working on Large Hadron Collider’s thread on SA AtheistNetwork.com, August 9, 2008
- Doomsday Rescheduled… until October, Plush Media Group, August 7 by Kate Kestenbaum
- Science’s Summer Block Buster, Cosmic Log, August 4, 2008 by Alan Boyle
- What Will the LHC Find, Cosmic Variance, August 4, 2008 by Sean Carroll
- (blog) Tevatron experiments double-team Higgs boson, Liberty Lounge, August 4, 2008
INTERNAL FEATURED ARTICLE
- Wikipedia page is being Altered by CERN Introduction by Another, article by JTankers
ARCHIVES
- Superfluids, BECs and the Ultimate Experiment Submitted by Alan Gillis on 2 July 2008 - 10:53pm. Physics
- When Not to Use Probabilities Overcoming Bias, July 23, 2008
- What would happen if a small black hole hit the Earth? by by Ian O’Neill of the Universe Today
- CERN and LHC Black Holes: Part Three The Moderate Voice by Jazz Shaw, interview with Nuclear Physicist Walter L. Wagner
- Collider, Les Horribles Cernettes YouTube music video humor
- Collider Incidents by JTankers with comments from 2001 Nobel Laureates for Physics Dr. Eric A. Cornell and Dr. Carl E. Wieman, and MIT’s Professor Kerson Huang, world leading experts in Bose-Einstein Condensate research
- The 2008 LSAG Safety Report (lhcfacts) by JTankers
- Safety Issues in Layman’s Terms (lhcfacts) by JTankers
- The Coup de Grâce by Another
- James Blodgett’s Deductive Logic by Another
- First Hearing in US Federal Court of Hawaii, June 16, 2008 by JTankers
- Culture of Superiority? by JTankers
- Earth being forced to commit Suicide International Reporter, by Dr. Raj Baldev Cosmo Theorist
- Some] Scientists say there’s nothing to fear from world’s largest and most powerful particle accelerator, Sault Star, by DOUGLAS BIRCH, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
- DOOMSDAY LAWSUIT DISSEDby Alan Boyle of msnbc Cosmic Log
- The ATLAS Experiment… Madness Or Invaluable Insight? by M.B. Dion, society du jour, “So is ATLAS just an intellectual version of something Evel Knievel may have attempted in the lab?
- The ATLAS Experiment… Madness Or Invaluable Insight? by M.B. Dion, society du jour, “So is ATLAS just an intellectual version of something Evel Knievel may have attempted in the lab?”
- Three arguments against turning the Large Hadron Collider onOxford University, Ethical Perspectives on the News
- The benefits of black holeswith CERN’s Michelagelo Mangano on msnbc CosmicLog by Alan Boyle
- What is the probability of the Large Hadron Collider destroying the universe?by James Miller on Overcoming Bias
QUESTIONS
Q: What is the Large Hadron Collider?
The ‘LHC’ is the largest, most expensive scientific experiment ever created. It is located along the French and Swiss border and it will create conditions not seen since the first fraction of a second after the big bang 13.7 billion years ago. This experiment is expected to begin colliding particles some time in 2008.
Q: Why all the concern now?
When funding for the LHC was approved decades ago, scientists believed that there was no reasonable danger. But then scientists discovered a few years ago that the LHC might create something called a micro black hole, and CERN then predicted that it might create micro black holes at a rate of 1 per second. And the creation of just 1 micro black hole could potentially destroy the planet in our lifetime.
Q: But surely no scientist would purposefully destroy the planet, that is just not credible!
No, the scientists would not purposefully destroy the planet! But they might do it by accident and they might take risks that are much much higher than they are willing to tell you they might. Just like the managers that recommended Launching the Shuttle Challenger did not believe that it would explode. They knew there might be a reasonable risk because their engineers told them there might be a reasonable risk. But the managers said (paraphrase) “there is no proof of reasonable risk… launch!”
Q: OK, I want the facts, what questions should I be asking about Large Hadron Collider?
I recommend the following questions…
Q: Scientists are not worried about this experiment are they?
A: Actually some may be worried, according to Dr. Raj Baldev, Cosmo Theorist . Dr. Baldev says “ … the scientists are fully aware that it is not a project without a grave risk to the life of the Earth.”
Q: Micro black holes probably won’t be created will they?
A: Actually according to CERN’s safety web site in 2008 predicted creation of up to 1 micro black hole per second. And CERN still predicts that micro black hole creation will not be an unexpected event.”
Q: Wouldn’t more powerful cosmic rays create micro black holes if particle colliders could?
A: Some scientists have argued that cosmic ray collisions are the same as head-on collider conditions, but the facts do not support that assertion. Occasionally a cosmic ray may involve a single proton traveling so fast that it may have more net energy when impacting a relatively stationary particle on Earth, but the results will be safely sent into space. Head-on collider collisions may involve thousands of protons (or protons to anti-protons) colliding all at the same time, head-on at 99.9999991% of the speed of light in both directions (colliding similar to a head-on car collision) in temperatures lower than space with powerful magnetic fields to help focus all the energy to a single point in space (extreme focus of potentially much more mass than a stray cosmic ray) and particles created may be captured by Earth’s gravity, possibly including the first micro black hole that might be created containing thousands of protons or the energy of thousands of protons and/ anti-protons, in the first second of full energy collisions. The differences between cosmic ray impacts and collider collisions are significant and numerous.
Q: Don’t Micro Black Holes just evaporate?
A: The black holes we know of grow at rapid rates, and the following PHDs and Professors of Math and Physics argue that micro black holes might only grow:
- Dr. Adam D. Helfer: Do black holes radiate?[1][2][3]
- Dr. William G. Unruh and Prof. Ralf Schützhold: On the Universality of the Hawking Effect
- Prof. V.A. Belinski: On the existence of quantum evaporation of a black hole “quote”
- “…the effect [Hawking Radiation] does not exist.“
Q: But don’t most physicists still believe that micro black holes will evaporate?
A: Actually James Blodgett, who has a masters degree in statistics conducted a Delphi Study of 15 physicists, and he says “In 2004, I tried a series of Delphi questionnaires in which I asked physicists their estimates of several components of collider risk. As an example of the variability, estimates that Hawking radiation would fail ranged from 0% to 50%. The data are as follows: 0, 0, 1E-10, 0.001, 0.01, 0.01, 0.01, 0.02, 0.02, 0.07, 0.1, 0.1, 0.3, 0.35, 0.5. This was… before we were aware of the papers questioning [Hawking Radiation]“..
Q: But Stephen Hawking says the experiment is safe, and isn’t he one of the most famous scientists on Earth?
A: Actually Dr. Stephen Hawking is famous and creative, and he is hoping to win his first Nobel prize if he can prove that Hawking Radiation is real. But his theories often tend to be disputed or found incorrect. Hawking Radiation theory may prove to follow this trend also.
Q: Ok, so if micro black holes are created, and they do not evaporate, then how fast would a micro black hole grow?
A: Germany’s Dr. Otto E. Rosssler, inventor of Chaos theory’s Rossler attractor, predicts possible destruction of the planet in just years or decades: Abraham-Solution to Schwarzschild Metric Implies That CERN Miniblack Holes Pose a Planetary Risk
(Dr. Rossler’s theory is that when a MBH accretes a charged particle, say electron, this will not go straight into the MBH, but will circulate around the MBH for a while, and by doing this, a magnetic field will be created which will attract positive and negative charged particles, each at the opposite poles of the MBH, thus accelerating the accretion rate.)
Q: What will CERN do if they discover that the Large Hadron Collider is creating micro black holes that don’t evaporate?
A: According to recent reports, CERN will stop the experiment. One recent post on the topic reads “… if there was a black hole at the interaction point, we could very easily detect a huge drop in the rate of events within a millisecond (from 40 MHz to 100 Hz) and turn off the accelerator.”
Q: So we should be safe correct?
A: Unfortunately once a micro black hole has been created, it may be absorbed by the Earth in just seconds. And once that happens, there is no known power on Earth that could halt the process of micro black hole growth.
Q: I have heard that if micro black holes are created and are stable, they would grow too slowly to cause a problem, correct?
A: Some scientists are trying to find evidense that growth would be slow. But Professor Dr. Otto E. Rössler theorizes that micro black holes would grow quickly, destroying the planet in just years or decades. Dr. Rossler theorizes that when a micro black hole captures a charged particle, say electron, this will not go straight into the MBH, but will circulate around the MBH for a while, and by doing this, a magnetic field will be created that will be much more powerful than the gravity of the micro black hole, causing fast growth instead of slow growth.
Q: Ok, but why aren’t micro black holes created in other colliders?
A: Existing colliders are many times less powerful than the Large Hadron Collider. And most physicists think that the much lower power existing particle colliders have not created micro black holes. However there have been some incidents that hint that science may be close to creating micro black holes even with less powerful colliders. For example, Horatiu Nastase of Brown University writes: “We argue that the fireball observed at RHIC is (the analog of) a dual black hole.” The RHIC fireball as a dual black hole, and Nobel laureate Dr. Eric A. Cornell, does not rule out the possibility of stable micro black hole creation after an unexpected bosenova implosion at the university of Colorado.
Q: I heard there is a lawsuit, what is the status of that?
A: The first hearing in the US legal action is June 16, 2008 in US District Court of Hawaiian before the honorable Judge Helen Gillmor. Comments include those from the Harvard Crimson “[this lawsuit is] not frivolous” You may assist nuclear physicist Walter L Wagner with the legal action at LHCDefense.org
Nuclear Physicist Walter L Wagner is noted for his role in the discovery of an anomalous cosmic ray in 1975 that was tentatively identified as a magnetic monopole. See Time magazine, August 25, 1975, “Bring it Back Alive” and “Evidence for the Detection of a Moving Magnetic Monopole”, Physical Review Letters,. Vol. 35, (1975)
BLOGS
A recent blog sums up the arguments fairly well I think
[User] wrote:… I can’t even begin to explain why. This is patently ridiculous that someone would be “anti-safety”
Let me help explain. On another forum I posted the following in response to a safety argument:
[user] wrote:
http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf
Thus, the currently accepted “safety net“ can be described as having 4 levels:
(i) the miniholes may fail to appear;
(ii) the overwhelming majority will leave the earth immediately;
(iii) all will evaporate;
(iv) if not, a long period of linear growth – “1 quark per week eaten“ – lets them be
pussycats since it will take at least a million years before they “eat the earth“ [3,4].What if there’s a level (v)?
(ii) one stable mbh could accrete [destroy] the planet, and most multi-proton mbhs might have velocities too slow to escape Earth;
(iii) evaporation may be a myth as Professor Belinski argues;
(iv) linear growth may be myth as Dr. Rossler argues;
Another recent blog is also a good indication of the state of the science on this topic:
[user] wrote: Seriously. We get it. Wikipedia has an inadequate analogy on their page. For crying out loud, it’s irrelevant. This doesn’t even remotely belong on the front page. It’s completely irrelevant.
It appears to be absolutely relevant to me. If a reasonable and non-controversial explanation for the mechanics of Hawking Radiation existed, it would be posted on Wikipedia.
The fact that it is not is fairly strong evidence and a fairly strong indicator that black holes losing energy is a controversial, disputed conjecture, a conjecture that requires Dr. Albert Einstein to be doubly wrong according to Dr. Stephen Hawking, that may very likely be incorrect with potentially very serious consequences.
LEGAL
(See LHCDefense Legal Room for more up to date information)
First hearing in US Federal Court in Hawaii, Monday June 16th.
Legal papers served to CERN, requiring appearance before US Federal Court Judge Helen Gillmor. CERN ignored the summons to appear for the initial hearing.
Trial in US Federal Court has been scheduled to begin in one year, June 16, 2009. US Federal attorneys representing the defendants plan to file a motion to dismiss. The plaintiffs requested to amend their complaint to seek a jury trial, and to include a challenge to research that may involve the creation of microscopic black holes from ultra-cold atoms of rubidium.
“I don’t want to be filing something that turns out to be bogus, but if it’s something that’s out there, and is a viable technique … then it has to be considered, and it needs to be reviewed by a lot of people” Wagner said.
The plaintiffs plan to file a motion for a preliminary injunction. The next hearing will likely be in late July or August.
(Click on image to view. See also legal complaint)
CLOSING
Snake River Canyon
If asked to jump the Snake River Canyon with Evel Kneivel, an assurance from Evel of “nothing to worry about, perfectly safe” would probably be only moderately assuring to me…
Lessons from the final flight of the Space shuttle Challenger
paraphrase: “Freeze Risk? We have a 300% safety margin! Launch!”
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